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Originally posted by SGB:

There's no extra footage of Hazar in the shower.

Sorry to disappoint.

You know...

I like to dream. Why'd you have to go and step on my dream? DANG it!!!

You ought to feel guilty and make up for it by dressing up as Cliff. I can hook you up with that, you know. Just ask Mari.

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Originally posted by SGB:

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Originally posted by Zejan the Wonder Monkey:
And maybe there's even an extended cut of Hazar in the shower...yayy...!

There's no extra footage of Hazar in the shower.
Sorry to disappoint.

Poo Poo. And here I was getting all excited too...

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Originally posted by Zejan the Wonder Monkey:
You know...

I like to dream. Why'd you have to go and step on my dream? DANG it!!!

You ought to feel guilty and make up for it by dressing up as Cliff. I can hook you up with that, you know. Just ask Mari.

And I got raves at Dragon Con for my Kaga/Lisa costume. Monkey can work wonders with a needle and thread...

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:
No, they straight out said they were going to release it in 2010, but they don't expect big sales for it.

Compared to VV, or Golion?

(Did VV at least make as many sales as GoLion? It can't get shafted every time, can it?)

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Originally posted by samwiseb:

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:
No, they straight out said they were going to release it in 2010, but they don't expect big sales for it.

Compared to VV, or Golion?

(Did VV at least make as many sales as GoLion? It can't get shafted every time, can it?)

Not really sure, the MB rep said they are only releasing it for fans.

And actually, I don't think Golion nor VV sold that well. I know for a fact that we sold 2-3 copies of VV, and that included the ones I bought. There was a guy who grabbed the cases weeks ago and he said,"Oh my god, they brought Voltron out." He looked at the back and then said, "Wait, this isn't Voltron, what the hell is this crap? Voltron is about the lions, not some random vehicles." He then put it back and even after I explained it to him, he said he only cared about the lion series.

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:

He then put it back and even after I explained it to him, he said he only cared about the lion series.

You know, that's a darn shame. I started out favoring the Lions, but the more I watch VV, the more I think he needs the luv. VV has its own draws, its own interplay between characters, good guys and bad guys alike. And I have the feeling that once the translated original arrives, we're gonna get a lot more details, especially since, from what I've heard, WEP just kind of made up their own storyline for it(someone please correct me if I'm wrong here).

I like VV. A lot. A whole lot. It's gotten better the second time around.

Long Live the Random Vehicles!

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Originally posted by Zejan the Wonder Monkey:You know, that's a darn shame. I started out favoring the Lions, but the more I watch VV, the more I think he needs the luv. VV has its own draws, its own interplay between characters, good guys and bad guys alike. And I have the feeling that once the translated original arrives, we're gonna get a lot more details, especially since, from what I've heard, WEP just kind of made up their own storyline for it(someone please correct me if I'm wrong here).

I like VV. A lot. A whole lot. It's gotten better the second time around.

Long Live the Random Vehicles!

I'm the exact opposite. Hell, I still haven't finished the series (have 12 episodes left) because I cannot stand it. It is just way too inconsistent for me. I mean, one episode Hazar wants peace, the next he is using peace to destroy the alliance, then he wants peace, then he is just out to destroy them, and then wants it, but is using peace as a guise, etc. Then you have the episode where the lady Drule is running, jumps into a cockpit and is covered in blood for no reason at all, and she manages to fly away. o_O I think I'll stop there, as you get my drift.

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:
I'm the exact opposite. Hell, I still haven't finished the series (have 12 episodes left) because I cannot stand it. It is just way too inconsistent for me. [snip]

But you do realize that's because they hacked up VV in the same way they hacked up GoLion, right? With all the chunks restored that were yanked out to make the series relatively kid-friendly, I'm betting money that Dairugger will be a whole new animal, just like Lion Voltron was in its uncut form.

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Originally posted by Zejan the Wonder Monkey:But you do realize that's because they hacked up VV in the same way they hacked up GoLion, right? With all the chunks restored that were yanked out to make the series relatively kid-friendly, I'm betting money that Dairugger will be a whole new animal, just like Lion Voltron was in its uncut form.

-_-

The editing is not the problem, the problem is the complete incosistency of plot. The only issue Lion Voltron had was the episode with Romelle when Lotor said they are going to land on Arus to refuel (which makes no sense at all), but you don't see Romelle for another 4 episodes. Vehicle Voltron is nothing but a long ride of incosistencies.

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:
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The editing is not the problem, the problem is the complete incosistency of plot. The only issue Lion Voltron had was the episode with Romelle when Lotor said they are going to land on Arus to refuel (which makes no sense at all), but you don't see Romelle for another 4 episodes.

And the complete inconsistency of the plot is found in the Voltron version, not the GoLion version. I agree that Lotor going to Arus for fuel with a hostage after just having his butt kicked makes no sense. But a lot of the way that Voltron was edited makes no sense. It's been the subject of many a thread here.

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Vehicle Voltron is nothing but a long ride of incosistencies.

And, I repeat, that just like Voltron, VV has probably been hacked to the point of confusion. It has been reported among diehard VV fans that a lot of the Drules get fried at the end of some confrontations in the original episodes. So I have the feeling that in order to make VV conform, Dairugger has been subject to the same hack-itis that GoLion was.

But it's also obvious to me that you aren't really listening to what I have to say, so...I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. Peace out.

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Originally posted by Zejan the Wonder Monkey:And, I repeat, that just like Voltron, VV has probably been hacked to the point of confusion. It has been reported among diehard VV fans that a lot of the Drules get fried at the end of some confrontations in the original episodes. So I have the feeling that in order to make VV conform, Dairugger has been subject to the same hack-itis that GoLion was.

But it's also obvious to me that you aren't really listening to what I have to say, so...I guess I'll have to agree to disagree. Peace out.

And it does not sound like you are listening to what I am talking about. Lion Force does not have the same incosistencies of Vehicle Force. Lotor did not want peace only to use it to destroy them only to truly want it but did not want it and then decided to use it to get to them.

As I'm going through the VV episodes, it appears to me that there's an interesting political storyline among the Drules going on from Dairugger that got cut to hell in the translation.

Many of the VV episodes don't entirely make sense, and the motivations of Drule characters seem to change drastically (nonsensically) from one episode to the next. Reading between the lines, it seems obvious that a *lot* of nuance from Diarugger was lost or hacked up for VV.

So, yeah, Gankutsuou, you're totally right, VV is totally inconsistent (a problem I'd argue LV also suffers, but not nearly as much). Dairugger, I expect, will make much more sense once the DVDs arrive.

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Originally posted by Gankutsuou:

And it does not sound like you are listening to what I am talking about. Lion Force does not have the same incosistencies of Vehicle Force. Lotor did not want peace only to use it to destroy them only to truly want it but did not want it and then decided to use it to get to them.

LV has a lot of inconsistencies itself. Try checking out the thread in the Lion Forum to see what I mean.

GrantB said it best; both shows have inconsistencies, but VV has the edge with more of them. And my point is, and has always been, yes, I agree - VV has some glaring inconsistencies due to edits. But I think they'll be repaired in Dairugger. Thus I am willing to give VV another look.

DXV certainly offered more opportunities (than Golion) for the US team of writers to mess up. With its emphasis on exploration and politics rather than just building the perfect Robeast. But I have to agree that both series were more complex than the writers seemed to appreciate.

Can you imagine if they had been trying to adapt something more cutting edge, like Gundam or Macross?

Anyway, I prefer VV/DXV because it retains the 'epic' scope I remember from watching Voltron in my childhood. Only about half -if not a third- of LV/Golion can still be said to do this (too many redundant "Robeast menaces the Galaxy Alliance by trying to destroy the soccer field" episodes for my taste).

I'm wondering...

Maybe (and it's a long shot), there will be some anime fans out there with no sense of VV whatsoever who will watch the original DXV and find it good? So the exact opposite may happen on DXV than VV. Is that hoping too much?

Also, with all of the hacking that went on in VV there were a lot of holes that were opened up as to what happened with many of the characters involved with specific episodes. For those who watch VV and liked it, can you image how many story spin-offs could come from VV itself. You could definitely pile on massive amounts of VV fan-fics about other aspects of the series. I think that is one of the things I like about VV. It is left so open ended that it can become anything in the future. There is still a lot of potential in the VV arc.