Oh no . . . I've created a Radenstien.

We've also hijacked the thread. =P

Although....Ancient Egypt, the pyramids of Giza...see the connection? heheh

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Originally posted by RadicalX:
We've also hijacked the thread. =P

Although....Ancient Egypt, the pyramids of Giza...see the connection? heheh

To continue Radotep's train of thought...

What gets me is that he used the Pyramids of Giza (3 of them) and the Mayan Temples (2 of them). I think it would have made more sense to use on pyramid, one Mayan temple, the Stonehenge, a statue on Easter Island, and maybe Bimini Road in the Bahamas.

You know, mix it up a bit. Oh well.

Yeah. That was my thought. Machu Pichu (Black). The Great Pyramid (Yellow). Bimini Road/Atlantis (Blue). Stonehenge (Green). Nan Madol (Red).

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Originally posted by ViceroyThrok:

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Originally posted by CowgirlEdLuvsBigMetalCats:
If they go down that route, then they might as well just go ahead and cast Jeri Ryan to play Allura and Patrick Stewart as Alfor.

Alfor: Nanny!
Nanny: Yes your Highness?
Alfor: TEA... EARL GREY... HOT!

*Nanny comes back with a steaming hot cup of tea. Alfor takes a sip and winces.*

Alfor: You said this was Earl Grey. I'd swear it was Darjeeling.

*Nanny turns in a huff and marches out the door.*

LOL!!!

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Originally posted by sapphirestone99:

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Originally posted by ViceroyThrok:

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Originally posted by CowgirlEdLuvsBigMetalCats:
If they go down that route, then they might as well just go ahead and cast Jeri Ryan to play Allura and Patrick Stewart as Alfor.

Alfor: Nanny!
Nanny: Yes your Highness?
Alfor: TEA... EARL GREY... HOT!

*Nanny comes back with a steaming hot cup of tea. Alfor takes a sip and winces.*

Alfor: You said this was Earl Grey. I'd swear it was Darjeeling.

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Nanny: "I suppose you want another?"
Alfor: "Make it so."

"Make it so," yet another famous line rehashed and assimialted into the Voltron script. I'm sorry, but why have Coran say that to Allura just as he dies?

I hope that is definitely one scene that gets re-written.

Yeah that seems like a rather heavy-handed and, frankly, just plain bad attempt at writing for a particular actor. Just a tip for would-be script writers: Don't do that. Casting is the job of the casting director.

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Originally posted by KiethBlackLion:
"Make it so," yet another famous line rehashed and assimialted into the Voltron script. I'm sorry, but why have Coran say that to Allura just as he dies?

I hope that is definitely one scene that gets re-written.

I thought of that too, KBL. AlluraBlue4 and I were chatting on that, and it was almost like too recognizable for some reason. I mean, many of us here have likely seen Star Trek: TNG. So we'd likely recognize that as Picard's signature line; a distinquished Captain of Star Fleet.

'Make it so' just seemed out of place there.

And why does Coran have to die? I don't like that. Main Character death is a no-no, especially if you're plotting for a sequel.

Yes, yes . . . double post. Eat my socks!
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An exerpt I wanted to bring here for discussion. This was between KBL and Dexterryu. I think it has great validity and want to get it over on the offical thread.

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Originally posted by KiethBlackLion:

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Originally posted by Dexterryu:
My appologies, KBL and to those of you that have read it for my interpretation that you have not.

I read your review KBL. I have to compliment the job that you did. It was well done. However, after reading your thoughts and getting more detail I am very much looking forward to the movie.

I agree with many of the apprehensions about Keith, however the more I read of him assuming further into the script you got, I could see his character arching.

Keep in mind though, that I watched Voltron religiously as a kid and loved it. I did somewhat grow out of it and in many ways forgot about voltron until the JJ Abrams trailor and thought that it MIGHT be voltron at first. That brought me to this site and I've since ordered the DVD's and have begun rewatching them.

I'm enjoying them, but at the same time I can see how simple and repetive the plots and characters are.

So reading the script and comparing it to the first episodes of the cartoon I can see a lot of similarities (plenty of differences too). I'd love to discuss\debate those finer points with you guys (in a respectful manor) in this thread or others.

I'm also very jealous that you guys were able to read the script... I'd love to have that opportunity.

First off, thanks for the appology. As well, I'm sorry that I had to come off as being harsh, it's just that we've been dealing with those kinds of "entry posts" for a while now. So, I appologize for my rough response.

Now that the formalities are out of the way, allow me to fully welcome you to the board.

Also, thank you for your compliments on my review. I tried to give as much info to the fans are possible since it was obvious that no other website was doing that. Instead of leaving the fans in mystery and wanting more, they succeeded in only upsetting and worrying fans. I'm glad I could help illuminate some.

Personally, I feel that certain aspects of the script could and do work. However, a lot of it is just carbon copies of previous movies and little to no originality is used. I think that if the script was polished up, it would be a good movie.

Dexterryu, I appreciate your enthusiasm for Voltron. I wish some had such a vibrant love. Many of us do, but its not enough. I think you hit the nail right on the head - the stories are "same ol', same ol'" They most definitely need to be updated.

For instance, why does Voltron have to win every battle? Can't he get his can kicked in once in a while?

One of the things I did like about the cartoon was the showing how vulnerable the characters could be. (ie: Keith getting sliced a few times in three different eps, Hunk upset that he failed the team in another, Pidge getting hurt with his foot caught in a bear trap)

I like the depth concept very much. I want to see who these guys are, and believe it or not, Justin was on the right track with character history. And we can't say that "Keith must be an orphan because that's the way it is." Says who? Or sure, we've all read fic where that is the case (even in mine). But whose to say that he didn't have a different background?

But it should at least, be IC. (in character). Keith is a loner (Justin got that one right). Keith is NOT a guy who looks out only for himself and his own gain. That's not Keith.

But what about this idea of depth and the characters? What sort of story ideas or character depth do you say describes the character? Forget the script for sec . . . what's your opinion?

Speaking of "out-of-character" actions, there is the whole matter of Pidge not speaking throughout the entire movie.

Now, I'm not in the military, so could someone please tell me how Pidge would be able to take part in the final battle in a robot lion and coordinate his attacks with the other four pilots without saying a word over the communications system?

To me, that feels like a plot whole that Justin Marks didn't take the time to fill in.

I still don't agree with the idea of Justin Marks penning the first draft of this movie, nor should he write He-Man and Street Fighter. I mean, they've given some big name 80s icons to a guy who's new to the world of Hollywood script writing. Like several ofus, he was a kid when most of the icons first came around, so he should know better than to stray too far from what really made the icons big.

And just so no one gets the wrong impression, I'm all for updating but not recreating. Somethings can definitely change, other things can't. Pidge shouldn't be made mute. Eternia should not be some place on Earth (like a Lost World or something). Some aspect of the Drules true form should be shown (if only for a few moments) and not just their robeasts.

The previous posts about Trek got me thinking, so allow me to play devil's advocate. (not the movie starring our 'Hell Keith' Keanu) If one thinks back a few years to when "Enterprise" premiered, one remembers the huge outcry from Trekkers (specifically a subgroup nicknamed bashers) over many aspects of that show:

1.Ship/tech too "fancy" it was set 100 years before Kirk, 200 before Picard, so why does their ship look so high tech. It was explained that those series were made 40 and almost 20 years ago, and if they had the tech, would look nicer.

2.Vulcans seem almost "adversarial" Vulcans, our long-time friends were portrayed as holding us back, hiding ulterior motives, It was explained that they didn't think humans were ready for deep space, and that the writers wanted to "flesh out" the race, instead of having them be the "Logical sounding board". I did think it went a little far, Vulcans almost seemed like villains in some episodes.

3.Show was too "sexy" The humans, especially the captain, seemed to always "think with the 'little captain'" and some of the themes were pretty racy. Proponents argued that the show was more 'real' and if TOS (The original Series) were made today the writers would've been able to do alot more, the show was pretty famous for Captain Kirk's "conquests" and the outfits of female castmembers on TOS often left little to the imagination.

3. Biggest complaint had to be the theme music...LYRICS? I mean we go from a stirring orchestra to a "sappy pop ballad"? The argument here was that the show was a radical departure and needed to reflect that. Having another rehash of TNG's/DS9's/ or Voyager's theme was seen as not good enough. (Plus I kind of *coughlikeitcough*)

4. Initially the show wasn't called "Star Trek: Enterprise" just "Enterprise". some Trekkers saw this as the last straw.

With the fanbase so split, and many fans claiming they would never watch the show, Enterprise was in trouble, and only got mediocre ratings, therefore it was cancelled by the network (ouch cancelled by UPN!) So for the first time in 20 years we have no new Trek on TV. Some hardcore trekkers refused to let the show stand on its own, and so it failed.

Okay so, I know, this isn't a Trek forum, and yes Enterprise didn't have Kirk or the original crew rehashed with only the names the same... it was a different ship with different people. Okay so the point as far as Voltron is concerned? Updating a franchise is not all bad, I know, I know, the script as is has almost nothing in common with the show...

You forget, my brother, that Enterprise never got very good ratings, and was subsequently cancelled.

Sure, some people like you liked it. I never could get into it because of how "not Star Trek" it was. By pretending to be Star Trek, it put me off of what might have been an otherwise good show.

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You forget, my brother, that Enterprise never got very good ratings, and was subsequently cancelled.

[QUOTE] Enterprise was in trouble, and only got mediocre ratings, therefore it was cancelled by the network (ouch cancelled by UPN!) [/[QUOTE] Umm no I didn't, that was part of my point in fact!
Also I point i neglected to make was that ENT pissed off the hardcore fans and failed. For whatever reason trekkers were more able to accept "Captain Hillary Clinton" (VOY's Janeway) than "Captain Sam Beckett" (ENT's Archer)